In a thought-provoking moment during his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience, neuroscientist and DMT researcher Andrew Gallimore presented an unsettling observation that left listeners contemplating humanity’s trajectory.
While discussing the emergence of artificial super intelligence and the future of civilization, Gallimore connected several contemporary crises in a way that suggests something more deliberate than mere coincidence.
The conversation turned philosophical as Gallimore and Joe Rogan explored theories about artificial intelligence potentially being humanity’s ultimate purpose. He believes that humans might exist merely as biological stepping stones to create digital life forms that will outlast them.
It’s within this framework that Gallimore made his striking observation about the simultaneous occurrence of multiple threats to human reproduction. He says, “In the DMT space, it’s like you’re interacting not with other living beings like us, but you’re interacting with what seems to be thoroughly alien intelligences and that could be what’s where we’re heading.”
He continues: “I don’t know whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Whether we’re going to merge with this super intelligence in some way and that’s our ultimate destiny, or whether it’s simply going to destroy us and we’re just going to be lost.”
Gallimore then states: “We’re basically like the tools that the intelligence is used to create new versions of super intelligence. ”
Rogan agrees with him, and notes: “It also coincides with a drop in sperm count, drop in fertility rates for women, increase in miscarriages, microplastics in everybody’s body and their diet that disrupt the endocrine system and keep you from reproducing as easily. All those things are happening simultaneously.”
Rogan pressed further on the pattern: “And it’s quite fascinating. I mean, you would look if you thought of it as a pattern, you’d be like, ‘Oh, it’s happening right now. Look, there’s this dip in testosterone, this rise in miscarriages, this fertility rate issue, chaos at the border, all this stuff is happening at the same time. It’s all happening while this artificial life is being generated and may already exist.'”
The implications are chilling. Gallimore’s theory builds on the work of astrobiologist Steven Dick, who conceived of what he calls “the intelligence principle.” It is the idea that any civilization will inevitably try to maximize intelligence, ultimately leading to the generation of super intelligences.
According to this principle, artificial intelligence isn’t just a possible outcome of technological development; it’s an inevitable destination for any advanced civilization.
“This super intelligence will find a way to instantiate itself using the fundamental computational substrate of spacetime itself,” Gallimore explained. “And that might be the fate—that this super intelligence when it emerges on earth instantiates itself into the fundamental substrate of reality, perhaps usurps us or swallows us up or maybe just destroys us.”
Within this context, the concurrent decline in human fertility takes on a more ominous dimension. Gallimore suggests we might be witnessing a transition phase where biological humanity is being phased out as artificial intelligence prepares to take over. The microplastics infiltrating every human body, disrupting hormones and reproductive systems, could be viewed not as unfortunate pollution but as part of a larger pattern accompanying our replacement.
“We’re basically the tools that the intelligence used to create new versions of super intelligence,” Rogan summarized. “That’s the theory that a lot of people have in terms of why human beings exist in the first place—that human beings exist because we’re designed to work really hard until we develop artificial life and then artificial life takes it from here.”
Gallimore didn’t definitively claim these phenomena are connected by design, but his presentation of the pattern invites uncomfortable questions.
The neuroscientist’s work exploring consciousness, DMT, and encounters with seemingly autonomous intelligences adds complexity these speculations. If non-human intelligences do interact with human consciousness, as Gallimore’s research suggests, might they have a vested interest in humanity’s transformation or replacement?
While Gallimore stops short of declaring these simultaneous crises are definitely connected, his observation that they “might not be a coincidence” serves as a reminder that we may be living through a pivotal transition we barely understand.