Malcolm Gladwell Says Those Opposing Trans Women In Women’s Sports Owe Support To Other Trans Movement Demands

Malcolm Gladwell sat down with Trevor Noah on the podcast What Now and spoke at length about the debate over trans women competing in women’s sports.

Gladwell recalled moderating a sports analytics panel several years ago where the tension between those two sides became impossible to ignore. On one side was South African sports scientist Ross Tucker, who argued against trans women competing in the female category. On the other were advocates including Joanna Harper, who argued for inclusion.

The moment that stuck with Gladwell came when Harper turned to Tucker and said, “Ross, you have to let us win.”

To Gladwell, that phrase cracked the argument wide open. Harper was conceding that trans women carry a biological and genetic advantage over biological women, but arguing that the issue at stake was not athletic fairness.

It was a human rights claim on behalf of a group under pressure. The two sides, Gladwell said, were not actually debating the same thing.

“It’s irresolvable,” Gladwell told Noah. “It’s like there’s two competing values and you have to pick which one in this moment you think is more important.”

From that starting point, Gladwell argued that any workable solution requires both sides to accept responsibilities toward the other. According to him, those who oppose trans women competing in the female category cannot simply state their position and move on.

“If you’re someone who thinks that trans women should not participate in the female category, you have to go out of your way to be an advocate for all other aspects of the trans agenda,” Gladwell said. “You have to be able to say, ‘Okay, I know that this is something that means a lot to you. I’m not going to back you on this, but I promise you I’ll back you on everything else.’”

At the same time, Gladwell said supporters of trans inclusion in women’s sports must also recognize what they are asking from those who care deeply about the integrity of women’s athletics.

“The flip side is also true,” he explained. “If you are someone who wants that kind of participation, you have to go out of your way to acknowledge the importance that you’re basically saying to people who care a lot about sports, and women’s sports in particular, that I’m asking you to give up something here. And I will bend over backwards to make that sacrifice easier for you.”

Gladwell also noted that his own views on the science have evolved over time. When he previously wrote about Olympic runner Caster Semenya roughly a decade ago, the available research was still developing. Since then, he said newer studies suggest that testosterone suppression may not completely eliminate physical advantages between trans women and biological women.

While he acknowledged that his thinking could continue to change as more evidence emerges, Gladwell ultimately returned to the same conclusion: neither side of the debate gets to claim a clean victory without offering meaningful compromise to the other.